Guest Host Jeremy Vaeni welcomes his childhood friend, Tracey Fossetti, to the show to talk about their shared experiences with a ouija board, her possible alien abductions, and more. But first, we hear a special clip from 2010 of the late, great Jeff Ritzmann reading to Tracey a message he received from a tall, shrouded being that he was meant to share with her. This one is quite the journey!To listen to the Paratopia Halloween Special referenced here, please visit:
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Thank you, Jeremy. I really enjoyed this episode of Dreamland.
I’m summoning up the courage to listen. Ouija boards disturb me.
Will listen in the morning while taking breakfast.
Peace.
“A dream that is not a Dream”? – Then what is it?
There are 4 states: Waking State, Dreaming State, Deep Sleep State, and the Forth State. Lucid Dreams are still dreams and not waking state. The Pascagoula event, Travis Walton event, and some others were waking state (and did not involve the Grays of popular media culture). Dreams, like waking state, can involve synchronistic events and vivid intensity of energetic interaction: ‘Super Natural’ experiences are those natural experiences outside of the shared world view, which is a limited reflection of the Sentient Mystery. It behooves any serious researcher to separate dreams from waking state experiences, as well maintaining clear discrimination in the waking state between various types of experiences and their varied relationships and interactions.
The initial dialog was absurd, do the math involving imaginary numbers to understand Fractals as a starting point. It is profound and nature does indeed involve Fractals. Particles which appear and disappear from the plank vibrational ether are simply standing waves thereof and not entire universes. I apologize if my opinion seems blunt.
Tracey Fossetti was sincere and I appreciated her honesty and stating when she did not remember or understand some of what was mentioned. It is good to see people growing outside of the false belief system of materialism without claiming some false new understanding. Indeed, accepting that we do not understand and sharing experiences is a healthy thing to do and can assist humanity in eventually gaining a more robust understanding.
I would think similarly to you about virtual particles not truly containing universes. Not that I can prove it. I was wondering what to make of the shrouded being’s dissertation as metaphor and perhaps spiritual truth. I’m not quite sure what to make of it overall, but it is thought-provoking.
I’m not sure that in the end we can truly separate dreams from waking-state experiences. Everything we experience here on Earth is a dream in a certain sense. Maybe we can simply differentiate one kind of dream state from another, or different degrees of dreaming/waking?
Perhaps we can say that all states are dream-like, since in all cases they are limited reflections of a small part of the sentient mystery of the Cosmos. Differentiation, discrimination, and using clear insight to expand our world view seems to be a natural function of being human. In all this removing subconscious assumptions and proceeding with increased awareness is a key. Fanciful imagination may be fun and useful, but being clear that it has little bearing on the Mystery we dwell within is very important.
“I was wondering what to make of the shrouded being’s dissertation as metaphor and perhaps spiritual truth. I’m not quite sure what to make of it overall, but it is thought-provoking.”
Jeff Ritzmann actually wondered if it wasn’t meant to be taken literally but was some sort of thought experiment. When we released our episode on this publicly, he was careful to repeat that over and over. Still, there were people who called him a liar and trashed him because it cannot be true, the Planck length, blah, blah. People hear what they want to hear and maybe that was part of the experiment?
As for me, I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I won’t rule it out simply because we think we know something definite about physics. I maintain we don’t know jack, just pretend to until the next discovery, because our need for certainty in a world where we are alive for a few decades and then die is one way in which we dysfunctionally cope with fear of death.
I agree we don’t know “Jack’. At the same time language, as a symbolic tool defines words in specific ways. When words refer to imaginary nonsense, one can create mythological meaning if they are creative. Its poetry acting like a Scrying Mirror for the verbal part of the mind. “… Beware the Jabberwock, my son! …”
The fact that we don’t know ‘Jack’ should not lead to believing in absurd notions without evidence, subjective or objective. Researching Super Natural, paranormal, or the presence require logic and separating the imaginal from the factual and may require stretching the language, but whenever we do that, it is essential to be clear. Dreams, Lucid Dreams, Vivid Dreams, Energetic Dreams, Prophetic Dreams, … allow us to discuss Experiences of Dreaming to determine what we can more clearly discriminate without confusing them with waking state experiential experienced life.
There was a woman’s dream in Budd Hopkin’s Intruders, mentioned casually, which grew into a large internet philosophy that the Grays were a poor and desperate race seeking to survive. Beware of Dreams that start mythologies. The Presence is robust, vast, powerful, and has determination and intent. I would say this woman’s dream was comforting to some who suffer from wanting to be in control or not admitting humans are primitive species on a planet in some NHI’s control. We don’t really know! Yet beliefs or dreams which are imaginal or contrary to experience need to be clearly defined as such.
Words are tricky: I am interested in podcasts which seek to come to grips with the evidence, even if the evidence or data is hard to categorize and understand.
Pardon me for rambling, but “… Beware the Jabberwock, my son! …”
Here’s a question for you: Whatever this “alien” phenomenon is (or phenomena are, but I’ll stick with the singular for this), it tends to lie when it speaks plainly. So, assuming Jeff was telling the truth, sane, and reciting what he jotted down from an actual sit-down chat with this being–which I believe to be the case–why would the being speak absurdities in the first place?
I don’t have an answer other than, possibly, it must be known to be real yet remain in question in order to exist here. (The old, “We want you to believe in us, but not too much” routine.)
Possibly. But there are other ways of doing that than imparting lies as facts.
You have any thoughts on this?
It seems people ramble with complex theories that are nonsense all the time. They get followers and feel important. Some know they are lying, other are just ego based and full of themselves. If one of them loses their body and is stuck by their ego earthbound and someone gets a communicative channel with them, the disincarnate being will be lost in the same mythology as when they were alive, the mythology may even be the trap.
The problem comes when someone is actually dreaming… but as far as they are concerned, they have just woken up, fully awake, sat up in bed…some weird sh1t happens, then they ‘fall asleep’ in the dream…and some time later wake up for real. As far as they are concerned that weird stuff happened in waking reality.
I’m not saying by any means that explains all strange experiences but I don’t think it’s a coinidence that a lot of them happen when people are in bed.
That is going to screw with anyones sense of reality. I’ve woken up in that state myself…been totally convinced I was awake but in this instance, rather than going back to sleep, I suddenly realised my eyelids were closed but I could still see perfectly clearly. After about ten seconds, everything froze and the colours leached away, then I was aware I was looking at the inside of my eyelids and opened them for real…to see exactly the same scene again. The transistion from that vivid dream state to being actually awake was, as far as I could tell, utterly seemless (and believe me, I was paying attention).
I would like to say I’m pretty discerning but for those few minutes that I was vividly dreaming, I was totally and utterly convinced I was awake.
That to my mind, qualifies as ‘a dream but not a dream’.
Lucid Dreaming is an art. There are many techniques to attain Lucid Dreaming. Being awake in a Dream does not necessarily imply waking up in your bedroom and thinking you are awake, though I have experienced that, I have also had lucid dreams where I could choose to do things like fly, knowing I was dreaming.
Shamans were said to be able to Lucid Dream and yet connect to the waking state world to gather information in distant places. Remote Viewing provides similar ability. Wehen I have been completely awake in a dream (= Lucid Dreaming) sometimes things happen that I need to deal with (or choose to ignore).
I would assume a very advance ET species could be phenomenal dreamers and even come into people’s dreams, but I seriously caution against that hypothesis because we are innately powerful psychic beings. If one has a Vivid, Energetic, or Lucid Dream, one may learn many things (from the subconscious, from elves, from ET, from VALIS, yada yada – we can’t know unless physical proof is also provided.
Therefore I agree, Greys in a dream or Grays in the bedroom that walk through walls are probably a feature of dream-space (astral dimension) without physical reality: Hypnagogia. Very interesting, but imaginal.
Dreams are personal and somehow like a mirror, reflecting what we have absorbed in life.
Thanks for the dialog…
Regarding the UFO the photographer described: We often hear that the craft are bigger on the inside than the outside. Well, then, we DO know where they come from, right? *wink wink* We apparently are seeing them with their chameleon circuits turned off…..
I’m snarking, but seriously, this description of the true shape of the TARDIS may say something real about such craft. From Quora:
‘What is the true form of the TARDIS?
The true form of the TARDIS is actually unfathomable. The never ending dimensions would most likely be the size of the moon.’
Hundreds of reports say they are bigger within than without. I contemplate if that is not a feature of gravity control and propulsion. Obviously TicTac must internally mitigate the force of acceleration to ascend at 50 time the speed of sound. At the same time it is reported that it stayed cooler than the environment. Must be gravitationally isolated in some ways.
Wonderful! Loved listening to this one. Best of Jeremy’s dreamlands yet. Accoring to pilot Dolly Safran, they aren’t physically coming down in craft any more since 2021 or was it 2022 due to the now unstable Magnetosphere of the Earth. So i think this was an OBE with them rather than a journey of the physical body.
It’s all about consciousness. If a partical can contain consciousness, it can contain an entire universe. The key to everything is consciousness.
This is elegant and, I believe, true. Mahalo!
I have to agree, and well-said! I have stayed out of this thread for several days because I have felt some are going off in the wrong direction, and presenting things that, to me, are not what ALL of this is about. I recommend that people really explore this and not get too wrapped up in the ‘weird’ stuff that happens to many of us (including me.) We may be getting the experiences that we need for our growth, both spiritually and as beings living in the physical.
One ‘explorer’ that addresses all this in a different way is Robert Lanza (‘Biocentrism’).
“Lanza believes that life and biology are central to being, reality, and the cosmos—consciousness creates the universe rather than the other way around.”
…And I had my own crazy stuff with a Ouija board when I was a teenager. I learned from the experience, quit using the board post-haste, understanding that on some level I created the strangeness—which also empowered me to take a different path to learn more, and in a positive direction as a co-creator, which we all are.
I am enjoying the intelligent discussion. I have a deep longing to know. The discussion about Consciousness and the Cosmos has been going on for ages.
Words are dualistic: the created and the creator, The experiencer (Consciousness) and the Experience (Cosmos) but experientially co-creation dissolves the duality.
I agree that co-creation is the essence.
It was a very restless night, and I woke up with a memory from MANY years ago. Not sure where I wanted to post this, so, hoping it fits into this week’s Dreamland. IT JUST FELT IMPORTANT TO POST.
Realizing after trying to recall dates, this experience started at the end of November…..perhaps today’s date and came to a close in December 1965…..I remember it well because I spent Christmas in the hospital.
THE EXPERIENCE:
It is in the morning, and I go to the crib to pick up my baby……Nine months old and my other child four years old. When trying to stand up, the pain in my stomach was intense and I was not able to do so.
My husband took me to St. Mary’s Hospital and the condition was diagnosed as a leaking appendix. I had surgery but the condition did not improve, so, exploratory surgery was recommended but that did not reveal the problem either. I was in and out of consciousness and had lost so much weight that I looked like a walking stick. One evening in December a NUN/SISTER? wearing a white habit came into my room. She wore a large gold cross/crucifix? hanging from her neck. My bed was surrounded by men all dressed in white. She told me she was a doctor and the other people surrounding my bed were interns. She pushed and pressed on my stomach THEN told one of the interns to inform a nurse to bring me an aspirin. They all left my room through the same door. A short time later my fever broke, and the nurses changed my soaked bedding several times during the night. I WENT HOME A FEW DAYS LATER, AFTER CHRISTMAS.
Were these healers real people? Was she a real doctor and also a hands-on healer? I will never know the answer to that. I do remember asking spirit to PLEASE let me live to be the mother of my children, I want to raise them.
I am an experienced paranormal “experiencer” with ghosts, haunted objects, and alien abductions, and I am able to be paralyzed by energetic beings, ghosts, etc., and I am down on OUIJA Oracle boards;
they are dangerous, and no one should use them, full stop, but I know that no matter what I say or how much knowledge and experience I have in my own life, it does not control another’s actions.
If you must try the board, please make sure that you protect yourself and your aura; make sure you sit and mediate a full protective boundary. Imagine that you are an egg-shaped being, as your aura looks like an egg with golden threads all around you, and you are the yoke.