In this interview, Dr. Joanna Kujawa discusses her new book, “Alien Goddess: UFOs, AI, and the Goddesses of Ascension,” deploying Jungian archetypes, ancient myth, Gnostic tradition, and initiatory ideas to frame the current choice between technological evolution and spiritual development.
As she frames it, the choice facing humanity right now is this: Do we eschew our spiritual traditions to instead evolve technologically, as transhumanists would apparently prefer.
Kujawa argues that the technological option represents a synthetic, archontic kind of evil. She sees the UFO phenomenon as representing both sides in this battle for the human soul: hardware bait to drive us forward technologically, and celestial beings reminding us of our connections to the divine.
Through the use of ancient myths like Inanna, Demeter/Persephone, and Pistis Sophia, Kujawa demonstrates how the archetypal spiritual journey of descent and ascent are as available now as they’ve ever been.
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Well I tried and just couldn’t follow this…
Maybe bc I was driving?
I thought it was a fascinating conversation but for a while there it did get pretty complex and twisty to follow. I’m going to have to listen to some parts of it again.
I had a terrible time just getting into the cadence of Dr. Kujawa’s accent and speaking style but I hear you. I went over to youtube and slowed down the speed considerably and it was much better. Of course then James Faulk (?) sounded like Darth Vader, just kidding.
The gist of this conversation is the reinforcement of an old theme: Mankind’s technological advance outpaces its spiritual advance. It’s a matter of where mankind as a whole places its values. The conundrum is that it cannot develop the values it needs because it is not spiritually advancing at the pace it needs. And it is not spiritually advancing at the pace it needs because it does not prioritize that in its values.
A very worthwhile discussion and certainly helped me through a long arduous day yesterday so thank you both.
This was forwarded on to me a few days ago and thought it interesting that the Native American Indians refer to good/evil as positive/negative energy. A few things in this conversation reminding me of the current interview.
Conversation with Retired Navajo Ranger Jonathan Dover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkzG-AKskF8
I have researched the tech billionaires and emergent tech and presented on it academically and from a “mythic” perspective to other groups. There are many levels to it and the venture capital that enables it is pure evil unless you think that Epstein island was okay and not occult Moloch stuff because most of them were on the plane and island at some point, like the leadership of this country. The rest of the cosplaying gamer gen that is running the tech industry have slid into a cult of the machine. The transhumanism and immortality quest are central to their agenda to create a more perfect vehicle for the ego, which dies with the body. The ego wants to be a “real boy” and is pretty sure it is on the cusp. It does not understand Gaia tech well enough though to do it but it will not give up and its current vehicles are nothing but meat sacks at this point. Archons, Demiurge, Lucifer, Arhiman, skinwalkers, wendigo/wetiko: ancient people understood this invasive parasitic viral energy. It does feed on fear and suffering. This is what my own studies have revealed to me. However, sometimes it just looks like plain old slave labor, something empires always gravitate toward. People never talk about how Rome was an 80% welfare state when it devolved from Republic to empire because of slave labor. The corrupt politicians had destroyed the Republic before Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon. It does push “the people” to a spiritual solution like it did with the cult of Jesus. This time people are in a cult run by the slaves themselves; so it may be the actual AI that changes the rules because the people are too entranced by the slaves who also are the new masters. The old gods are always destroyed or displaced violently at best by the new ones. That’s why I named my work “Return of the Creator Gods” because as she describes, the myths reveal the cycle quite well. The new creator gods remake the world according to their desires and tell everyone “you’re welcome” because they have so much hubris that they what they do is so wonderful. They think they are immortal, but where are they now? Where is Apollo, the conqueror and colonizer of Delphi? Where are the Asgardians or the Olympians?
FYI, the high/low quality MP3 files are misnamed for this show. If you want the high quality version download the low-bandwidth file.