I have been trying for weeks to understand how to write this. I’ve decided that I’ll put it off forever unless I just plunge in. It’s complex because there are a number of different layers. First, there is my relationship with the visitors. Second, it is what they–and we–are. Third, it is what I have learned from them about the future.
Anne is deeply involved in all this, but not as the person she was. As she has said, "I’m not Anne anymore, but I’ll always be Anne for you, Whitley." I have learned much about the truth of that statement in recent weeks. I have seen the being that projected Anne into the time stream and fallen in love in a whole new way. In fact, I see this being all the time.
For a long time, I have been speculating that we might take more than one form. I think we do. I think that there are three forms: a active form, which is the human being that we know; a passive, or inner form that absorbs every detail of our lives, and a balancing presence that is the real core of each of us. When Anne said "I’m not Anne anymore," she was speaking from this level. She has showed me a large number of faces of people she has been before. And she isn’t a "she" anymore, either. In the reconciling state, we are neither male nor female.
Let me give you some examples of how the three levels work and live together. The first took place at the Esalen Institute in Big Sur early in the morning of Friday, February 23rd. I was attending a private conference there with a group of academics and social scientists who are interested in extreme human experience. I was rooming with one of the professors attending the conference. As usual, at three in the morning I got up and did the sensing exercise. Then, at four, I was awakened by a loud whistling beside my right ear. I turned my head and found myself looking into the darkest, most limitless eyes I’d ever witnesses. The eyes of the grays are arresting, but these eyes were windows into a darkly surrendered emptiness of a kind we do not know in our lives.
At once, there came a strong puff of air blown onto the back of my left hand, causing me to turn away from the entity, which knew that I could not long bear to be eye to eye with it.
My roommate heard a voice within himself cry out "oh my god" and experienced a loud crashing sound. Then the experience ended.
While I was at Esalen, I was also given a vision of the future, which I will describe in a moment. This comes from communicating with Anne in the way we describe in the Afterlife Revolution, across the bridge between the worlds. She cannot tell me anything that would change fate, but she can tell me what is inevitable, and that she has done.
Of course, as soon as I heard it, I wanted to change it. But what can I do? In the broad world I’m "alien abductee Whitley Strieber," a peculiar person with not the slightest authority.
This, however, could be changed very easily. I can rescue the situation, but to do that I need to be empowered. There is something that could be done that would empower me. It would take only a few minutes, and I could use it to change the direction in which the world is now going.
To make a long story short, I fought with the visitors over this. I cannot do it on my own, but I know that it is possible because I have done it before. I made strident demands. I was furious. And then, in the middle of the night, I woke up with something in bed with me. As I have no pets it was immediately concerning to wake up with a presence the size of a spaniel or a terrier between my legs. I threw off the covers and leapt out of the bed. The result was a four inch gash in my left calf. As has happened to me before when my skin has been broken by the visitors, a few hours later I had a reaction. My whole body ached and my temperature rose to nearly a hundred Fahrenheit. From long experience, I knew to tack a soak, which i did.
Now, I think that the entity involved in both of these events was Anne in another form. In fact, I have come to suspect that much of what we now think of a alien contact is actually contact with other aspects of our very complex selves.
What I have seen of the future is that we are about to undergo a combination of climate and economic upheaval that is going to fundamentally change our world and our lives. I will go into more detail about it in another post. What I am saying here is that, if I had any respect in the broad general society, I could do something to change it, but the visitors will not carry out the simple act necessary to grant me that power.
We argued. I got the gash. With it, though, I also gained new insight into both the close encounter experience and the nature and future of life on Earth.
I’m working on what I have learned and will integrate into the talk I am planning to give at the Contact in the Desert event in June.
I will write a detailed journal shortly about the nature of the changes I see coming.
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I find this disturbing
I find this disturbing because of the likely implications of unpleasant death for millions of people (correct me if I am mistaken) — a multitude of souls that entered this world seeking experience, only to be met with a huge slap in the face. I wonder, Whitley, what their reasoning is, or if they might be swayed by a kind of group meditation request. Naturally, my reasoning and vision are limited, so perhaps I don’t know what I am talking about, but the situation strikes me initially as sad.
I find this disturbing
I find this disturbing because of the likely implications of unpleasant death for millions of people (correct me if I am mistaken) — a multitude of souls that entered this world seeking experience, only to be met with a huge slap in the face. I wonder, Whitley, what their reasoning is, or if they might be swayed by a kind of group meditation request. Naturally, my reasoning and vision are limited, so perhaps I don’t know what I am talking about, but the situation strikes me initially as sad.
Write quickly, Whitley.
Write quickly, Whitley. Please.
Second the motion… 🙂
Second the motion… 🙂
Write quickly, Whitley.
Write quickly, Whitley. Please.
Second the motion… 🙂
Second the motion… 🙂
Well I hope your sources were
Well I hope your sources were right about at least the economic upheaval, because this society is on a strong path to corruption and fascism, which in no way will cooperate with any of the messages that you or anyone who serves as an intermediary for “the Others.”
I don’t know if you answer questions on this forum, but if you do, I’d greatly like to know your opinion on this; could “the being that projected Anne into [this] time stream” be the same for each and every one of us? Or do you think we each have our own?
Well I hope your sources were
Well I hope your sources were right about at least the economic upheaval, because this society is on a strong path to corruption and fascism, which in no way will cooperate with any of the messages that you or anyone who serves as an intermediary for “the Others.”
I don’t know if you answer questions on this forum, but if you do, I’d greatly like to know your opinion on this; could “the being that projected Anne into [this] time stream” be the same for each and every one of us? Or do you think we each have our own?
Previously, I wrote about
Previously, I wrote about walking through the mall before Christmas with a feeling that it was fleeting, more so than usual. Events since then have reinforced that notion.
People here in the Northern Plains are ready to plant crops, but the weather has not yet allowed it. It looks like snow again today. Many do not yet realize that climate change means more chaos, severe events, and entrenched extremes, such as polar vortexes. It’s not just a matter of moving crops north.
I’ll be interested in hearing how you think that the future can be changed that doesn’t involve time travel back 20-40 years. At this point, I hope that we can avoid a shooting war and get together enough to minimize losses while we develop solutions that will be equitable and sustainable.
Previously, I wrote about
Previously, I wrote about walking through the mall before Christmas with a feeling that it was fleeting, more so than usual. Events since then have reinforced that notion.
People here in the Northern Plains are ready to plant crops, but the weather has not yet allowed it. It looks like snow again today. Many do not yet realize that climate change means more chaos, severe events, and entrenched extremes, such as polar vortexes. It’s not just a matter of moving crops north.
I’ll be interested in hearing how you think that the future can be changed that doesn’t involve time travel back 20-40 years. At this point, I hope that we can avoid a shooting war and get together enough to minimize losses while we develop solutions that will be equitable and sustainable.
Also want to echo Michael E’s
Also want to echo Michael E’s comment. As careful as we all know Whitley to be, and as honest as he has always been, I take this prediction at face value, and will live with the expectation of an impending mass suffering. I also wonder, as Michael did, whether the visitors might be receptive to a coordinated request by all of us to empower Whitley the way he’s suggested would be useful. I can only wonder what that empowering mechanism might look like but it seems that the bell is set to toll. God help us.
Also want to echo Michael E’s
Also want to echo Michael E’s comment. As careful as we all know Whitley to be, and as honest as he has always been, I take this prediction at face value, and will live with the expectation of an impending mass suffering. I also wonder, as Michael did, whether the visitors might be receptive to a coordinated request by all of us to empower Whitley the way he’s suggested would be useful. I can only wonder what that empowering mechanism might look like but it seems that the bell is set to toll. God help us.
First question comes to mind,
First question comes to mind, why do we need visitors to empower us? If we are a manifestation of a mutidemitional being, we are empowered to create this plane. Through fear and lack of awareness, is it possible we have neglected our essential responsibly? In our truth we are creators of this place. None of us are victims unless we choose to appeare to be. Both climate and economic conditions are constructs of systems we have internalize and sacrificed our dominion to. The flames of sacrificed domion are generated in fear and abdicated awareness of our truth. Change may be coming. Is it fearful and districtive or is it a symptom of higher understanding unfolding? Please consider dropping fear and realizing the power of who we truly are.
First question comes to mind,
First question comes to mind, why do we need visitors to empower us? If we are a manifestation of a mutidemitional being, we are empowered to create this plane. Through fear and lack of awareness, is it possible we have neglected our essential responsibly? In our truth we are creators of this place. None of us are victims unless we choose to appeare to be. Both climate and economic conditions are constructs of systems we have internalize and sacrificed our dominion to. The flames of sacrificed domion are generated in fear and abdicated awareness of our truth. Change may be coming. Is it fearful and districtive or is it a symptom of higher understanding unfolding? Please consider dropping fear and realizing the power of who we truly are.
My sentiments more or less
My sentiments more or less parallel Bmc’s. On some level, we’re not helpless, and any appeal to an outside force to ‘save us from ourselves’ seems fundamentally misplaced. Whether what Whitley says about his potential ability is true or not, the statements around it indicate it just isn’t going to happen. There’s no point in assuming one part is true while the other is not. You can either believe it or not, but to believe one part and not the other is to make it inherently false while claiming to believe it.
My sentiments more or less
My sentiments more or less parallel Bmc’s. On some level, we’re not helpless, and any appeal to an outside force to ‘save us from ourselves’ seems fundamentally misplaced. Whether what Whitley says about his potential ability is true or not, the statements around it indicate it just isn’t going to happen. There’s no point in assuming one part is true while the other is not. You can either believe it or not, but to believe one part and not the other is to make it inherently false while claiming to believe it.
Thank you so much Whitley. I
Thank you so much Whitley. I always look forward to reading your posts. Can’t wait for the next.
Thank you so much Whitley. I
Thank you so much Whitley. I always look forward to reading your posts. Can’t wait for the next.
My feeling is that this is
My feeling is that this is now about fate, one we, in part, created for ourselves by not dealing responsibly with our environment when we should reasonably have known of the impending dangers. This is not to say that we are powerless beings but rather that once a certain point is crossed, and we have failed to take corrective action, certain things become invetible. That is what, I believe, Whitley related Anne could see: what has become inevitable, and can therefore said to be fate. (Like a car traveling down a hill can, at some point, no longer stop itself in time before hitting a wall).
This is indicative that the
This is indicative that the cause of our predicament is deeper than our desire to avoid its consequences. In other words for ‘us’ as a cultural singularity it’s natural to want to avoid a catastrophe (of our own making) but it’s just as natural to want to do it without fundamentally changing those elements within us which have brought it about. Since this is clearly unsustainable, all paths ahead are paths of change. If the visitors changed their mind, if Whitley were empowered, would it really change what fundamentally needs to change? The only avoidance worth seeking, worth praying for, is the avoidance that is effective because it cancels out the primary cause of why we’ve gotten here.
My feeling is that this is
My feeling is that this is now about fate, one we, in part, created for ourselves by not dealing responsibly with our environment when we should reasonably have known of the impending dangers. This is not to say that we are powerless beings but rather that once a certain point is crossed, and we have failed to take corrective action, certain things become invetible. That is what, I believe, Whitley related Anne could see: what has become inevitable, and can therefore said to be fate. (Like a car traveling down a hill can, at some point, no longer stop itself in time before hitting a wall).
This is indicative that the
This is indicative that the cause of our predicament is deeper than our desire to avoid its consequences. In other words for ‘us’ as a cultural singularity it’s natural to want to avoid a catastrophe (of our own making) but it’s just as natural to want to do it without fundamentally changing those elements within us which have brought it about. Since this is clearly unsustainable, all paths ahead are paths of change. If the visitors changed their mind, if Whitley were empowered, would it really change what fundamentally needs to change? The only avoidance worth seeking, worth praying for, is the avoidance that is effective because it cancels out the primary cause of why we’ve gotten here.
I guess our balancing
I guess our balancing presence is why we are gravitated to this site, knowing deep change is upon us. As far as climate I think its obvious to any thinking person that we have left normal weather.
The economic change is beginning to rear its head with the tariff war approaching. Huge economies will clash and dirty tactics may be used. I have been sincerely troubled with all the data breaches. It seems to me that the people or entities with that info. could wipe accounts on whoever they want to target. With one click, money could disappear from banks and ultimately cripple whole economies! I’m not sure if this is the tool of the pending economic hardship, but it seems peculiar that we haven’t seen more of a consequence from it. I look forward to more insight.
I guess our balancing
I guess our balancing presence is why we are gravitated to this site, knowing deep change is upon us. As far as climate I think its obvious to any thinking person that we have left normal weather.
The economic change is beginning to rear its head with the tariff war approaching. Huge economies will clash and dirty tactics may be used. I have been sincerely troubled with all the data breaches. It seems to me that the people or entities with that info. could wipe accounts on whoever they want to target. With one click, money could disappear from banks and ultimately cripple whole economies! I’m not sure if this is the tool of the pending economic hardship, but it seems peculiar that we haven’t seen more of a consequence from it. I look forward to more insight.
Please, no one be afraid.
Please, no one be afraid. There is no reason to have fear.
Please, no one be afraid.
Please, no one be afraid. There is no reason to have fear.
I have to agree with Steve44
I have to agree with Steve44 and Bmc…We cannot expect a third party to save or empower us, nor should we allow fear to paralyze us. We are already in the midst of economic, climate AND political upheaval. Steve, as for “tools” of economic hardship, look no further than the increasing separation between the US and other nations, the whole us vs. them mentality that is growing day by day. Regardless of your political bent, it’s not difficult to see that we are headed down a very dangerous path. With one click, a missile can be launched too.
It truly doesn’t have to be this way, and it requires pushing through the fear and not relying on outside forces to assist us. “E pluribus unum” is not just the motto of the US, but should extend to ALL, including those here at Unknown Country, and from wherever they live. While the forefathers may never have heard of ‘Unknown Country’, their aim was for something new and revolutionary, and with an unknown future and potential. The story is NOT over.
Whitley, many of us here are also ‘peculiar’ and have also been through our own weird crap. I think it’s pretty fair to say that we do not have ‘authority’ either (Except for some of you lurkers out there. Yes, we know you’re there, yet we’re still here! So, raspberries to you!)
“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
Smart man, Frank Herbert.
Hi Cosmic,
Just some thoughts
Hi Cosmic,
Just some thoughts I think you’ll find interesting:
I find it a bit ironic that what we fear most in all of this is nature’s response to modern cultures attitudes and actions. While those who care at all recognize the cause, it’s the consequences we seek to avoid. I guess this is normal in a way because the causes are not evenly distributed, they are concentrated in the halls of power, but the consequences will be, causing many innocents to suffer. But for those of us who want real change, the response of nature is the only established power (the visitors notwithstanding) with the undeniable ability to bring it about. Despite its apparent amorality, Nature is no stranger to compassion, and I think that will be apparent in due time, no matter what the near future brings.
I have to agree with Steve44
I have to agree with Steve44 and Bmc…We cannot expect a third party to save or empower us, nor should we allow fear to paralyze us. We are already in the midst of economic, climate AND political upheaval. Steve, as for “tools” of economic hardship, look no further than the increasing separation between the US and other nations, the whole us vs. them mentality that is growing day by day. Regardless of your political bent, it’s not difficult to see that we are headed down a very dangerous path. With one click, a missile can be launched too.
It truly doesn’t have to be this way, and it requires pushing through the fear and not relying on outside forces to assist us. “E pluribus unum” is not just the motto of the US, but should extend to ALL, including those here at Unknown Country, and from wherever they live. While the forefathers may never have heard of ‘Unknown Country’, their aim was for something new and revolutionary, and with an unknown future and potential. The story is NOT over.
Whitley, many of us here are also ‘peculiar’ and have also been through our own weird crap. I think it’s pretty fair to say that we do not have ‘authority’ either (Except for some of you lurkers out there. Yes, we know you’re there, yet we’re still here! So, raspberries to you!)
“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
Smart man, Frank Herbert.
Hi Cosmic,
Just some thoughts
Hi Cosmic,
Just some thoughts I think you’ll find interesting:
I find it a bit ironic that what we fear most in all of this is nature’s response to modern cultures attitudes and actions. While those who care at all recognize the cause, it’s the consequences we seek to avoid. I guess this is normal in a way because the causes are not evenly distributed, they are concentrated in the halls of power, but the consequences will be, causing many innocents to suffer. But for those of us who want real change, the response of nature is the only established power (the visitors notwithstanding) with the undeniable ability to bring it about. Despite its apparent amorality, Nature is no stranger to compassion, and I think that will be apparent in due time, no matter what the near future brings.
Now that you have posted this
Now that you have posted this entry, it leaves many of us wondering. What is the new future that you anticipate? Weather and economic disaster…makes sense in that you have been preaching (in large part to an unsympathetic audience, unfortunately)for many years about the dangers(and now likely disastrous results) of climate change. But I guess that since we are in a new era in our country of blissful ignorance(I am speaking of Trumpism’s worst aspects-the denial of obvious truth and its replacement by convenient lies and cowardice) that we can see the connection between the 2 areas. What can the “average man or woman” do to fight this? Have we passed the point of no return(or will “they” allow you to prove the validity of your expressions)? I just don’t know, but I do feel an extreme sense of unease, that everything you have been warning of is about to come true and it will only be accelerated by Trump’s outrageous lack of concern for anyone other than himself. If the Visitors were to accede to your requests(demands?)I can only imagine that they’d do it at the barest level possible. It seems as if they do not want proof, the question of voluntary acceptance is always present. Maybe by them allowing that one simple thing to happen would constitute an affront to willfully accepting and acting? Really, I don’t know what it could be but if it involves real proof, I think they must be under some sort of “rule” that they are not permitted to do that. Again, if there is some acceptance that you can be shown to be correct, it would have to be couched in the language that allows one to reject it also. How effective that could prove to be makes me wonder. My inner me feels that we are on a path of negative energy; selfishness can never be a good thing and right now our government is extremely selfish. Although Trump’s base is a minority, it is in control and they simply are acting in their own limited interests, in spite of the clear evidence that doing so is greatly counterproductive. And, yes, you have been marked with that curse and will not be believed. Very, very sad as you have one of the truly brilliant minds and yet are effectively shut off from legitimate public discourse. We really have to pray, but I am not even sure what to pray for.
Now that you have posted this
Now that you have posted this entry, it leaves many of us wondering. What is the new future that you anticipate? Weather and economic disaster…makes sense in that you have been preaching (in large part to an unsympathetic audience, unfortunately)for many years about the dangers(and now likely disastrous results) of climate change. But I guess that since we are in a new era in our country of blissful ignorance(I am speaking of Trumpism’s worst aspects-the denial of obvious truth and its replacement by convenient lies and cowardice) that we can see the connection between the 2 areas. What can the “average man or woman” do to fight this? Have we passed the point of no return(or will “they” allow you to prove the validity of your expressions)? I just don’t know, but I do feel an extreme sense of unease, that everything you have been warning of is about to come true and it will only be accelerated by Trump’s outrageous lack of concern for anyone other than himself. If the Visitors were to accede to your requests(demands?)I can only imagine that they’d do it at the barest level possible. It seems as if they do not want proof, the question of voluntary acceptance is always present. Maybe by them allowing that one simple thing to happen would constitute an affront to willfully accepting and acting? Really, I don’t know what it could be but if it involves real proof, I think they must be under some sort of “rule” that they are not permitted to do that. Again, if there is some acceptance that you can be shown to be correct, it would have to be couched in the language that allows one to reject it also. How effective that could prove to be makes me wonder. My inner me feels that we are on a path of negative energy; selfishness can never be a good thing and right now our government is extremely selfish. Although Trump’s base is a minority, it is in control and they simply are acting in their own limited interests, in spite of the clear evidence that doing so is greatly counterproductive. And, yes, you have been marked with that curse and will not be believed. Very, very sad as you have one of the truly brilliant minds and yet are effectively shut off from legitimate public discourse. We really have to pray, but I am not even sure what to pray for.
I look forward to reading
I look forward to reading Whitley’s longer account of the prediction. I neither reject it nor do I take it at face value; to me it’s just more information that may or may not be what actually happens. I imagine Whitley might consider this one to be fundamentally different with the apparent involvement of Anne, but I often recall that the visitors gave him a vision of the moon flying apart and destroying the Earth, which did not happen; at least not yet. I also feel like we have a long history of suffering as a species, so why would the future be any different? Many times it’s because of things we can’t control, like volcanoes or asteroids, and other times (probably the worst) it’s what we do to ourselves: wars, political oppression, and now perhaps environmental neglect beyond what can be recovered.
The only thing I can think Whitley might have in mind to empower him would be some kind of public display from the visitors that centers around him. Maybe that’s not it (perhaps it’s as simple as winning Powerball to finance some carefully chosen activities), but even if the visitors came on global TV to say, “listen to Whitley Streiber”, one could expect the usual angels vs. demons debate and perhaps nothing would still get done no matter what Whitley could say.
I also find a contradiction here: if this information about climate and economic collapse was revealed because it’s now “inevitable”, then why does Whitley still believe he can change things if suitably empowered? Is there something not inevitable about inevitable? Or perhaps he’s talking about preparation for meaningful survival of humanity rather than changing the catastrophe itself? I imagine I may be missing something, so again I look forward to part 2 to this journal entry. It’s very interesting stuff, potentially scary to be sure, but also something I approach cautiously in terms of fact vs. fiction.
I look forward to reading
I look forward to reading Whitley’s longer account of the prediction. I neither reject it nor do I take it at face value; to me it’s just more information that may or may not be what actually happens. I imagine Whitley might consider this one to be fundamentally different with the apparent involvement of Anne, but I often recall that the visitors gave him a vision of the moon flying apart and destroying the Earth, which did not happen; at least not yet. I also feel like we have a long history of suffering as a species, so why would the future be any different? Many times it’s because of things we can’t control, like volcanoes or asteroids, and other times (probably the worst) it’s what we do to ourselves: wars, political oppression, and now perhaps environmental neglect beyond what can be recovered.
The only thing I can think Whitley might have in mind to empower him would be some kind of public display from the visitors that centers around him. Maybe that’s not it (perhaps it’s as simple as winning Powerball to finance some carefully chosen activities), but even if the visitors came on global TV to say, “listen to Whitley Streiber”, one could expect the usual angels vs. demons debate and perhaps nothing would still get done no matter what Whitley could say.
I also find a contradiction here: if this information about climate and economic collapse was revealed because it’s now “inevitable”, then why does Whitley still believe he can change things if suitably empowered? Is there something not inevitable about inevitable? Or perhaps he’s talking about preparation for meaningful survival of humanity rather than changing the catastrophe itself? I imagine I may be missing something, so again I look forward to part 2 to this journal entry. It’s very interesting stuff, potentially scary to be sure, but also something I approach cautiously in terms of fact vs. fiction.
I don’t know if the word
I don’t know if the word “inevitable” means “written in stone.” I think we can do a lot in a short period of time to mitigate the effects of what is surely coming but it’s going to require a shift in our collective consciousness. Certainly if the rabid forces of denial and active resistance to change gets its way, then we are going to go through one heck of a sh-tstorm.
I don’t know if the word
I don’t know if the word “inevitable” means “written in stone.” I think we can do a lot in a short period of time to mitigate the effects of what is surely coming but it’s going to require a shift in our collective consciousness. Certainly if the rabid forces of denial and active resistance to change gets its way, then we are going to go through one heck of a sh-tstorm.
A powerful lesson that I
A powerful lesson that I learned the hard way is that “some lessons must be learned through pain”.
Think about a young person in a bad relationship. You can tell them, warn them, beg them but will most listen to you ?? Usually not and down the road after they have been hurt they will say “why oh why didn’t I listen to you” !!
Ditto for humanity as a species. There are individuals who are aware but most people are blissfully unaware and refuse to open their eyes to what is going on. I agree with Graham Hancock that this has happened before with other civilizations and indeed many of US when we lived other lives back then. Yet we will not listen.
Most people want to believe (and have been taught this way by the wealthy elites who really run things) that we are just one person, powerless and there is nothing we can do but “take it”. We thus blissfully go through life and boohoo when bad things happen to us even though we could have stopped them !!
Jesus, Buddha, etc have all taught us that we are not the limited beings that we think we are. We have greatness in all of us but most of us are asleep and refuse to awake.
Whitley, you have much more influence than you think !! You have dealt with politicians and generals and you know how closed minded and foolish most of them are. You could talk until you are blue in the face and most of them would not listen to you !! Keep doing what you are doing and tell people publicly what they can do and even if “the hard lesson” is coming and cannot be stopped, perhaps you and the people you warn can lesson the damage or even save some.
You’re right Jimmy, we should
You’re right Jimmy, we should keep in mind that human nature with all its stubborn blindness is itself a product of Nature. None of us need feel superior to those unfortunate enough to have been born among the elites. If Nature has no easy lessons ahead for humanity at large, all we can do as individuals and collectively is to try to learn them with humility.
A powerful lesson that I
A powerful lesson that I learned the hard way is that “some lessons must be learned through pain”.
Think about a young person in a bad relationship. You can tell them, warn them, beg them but will most listen to you ?? Usually not and down the road after they have been hurt they will say “why oh why didn’t I listen to you” !!
Ditto for humanity as a species. There are individuals who are aware but most people are blissfully unaware and refuse to open their eyes to what is going on. I agree with Graham Hancock that this has happened before with other civilizations and indeed many of US when we lived other lives back then. Yet we will not listen.
Most people want to believe (and have been taught this way by the wealthy elites who really run things) that we are just one person, powerless and there is nothing we can do but “take it”. We thus blissfully go through life and boohoo when bad things happen to us even though we could have stopped them !!
Jesus, Buddha, etc have all taught us that we are not the limited beings that we think we are. We have greatness in all of us but most of us are asleep and refuse to awake.
Whitley, you have much more influence than you think !! You have dealt with politicians and generals and you know how closed minded and foolish most of them are. You could talk until you are blue in the face and most of them would not listen to you !! Keep doing what you are doing and tell people publicly what they can do and even if “the hard lesson” is coming and cannot be stopped, perhaps you and the people you warn can lesson the damage or even save some.
You’re right Jimmy, we should
You’re right Jimmy, we should keep in mind that human nature with all its stubborn blindness is itself a product of Nature. None of us need feel superior to those unfortunate enough to have been born among the elites. If Nature has no easy lessons ahead for humanity at large, all we can do as individuals and collectively is to try to learn them with humility.
The comments from Bmc really
The comments from Bmc really make me stop and think. We all to often hand over our power to someone else and don’t realize what our true potential is. Time to pull up my socks, get off my duff, and get on with dealing with the changes at hand.
On the matter of fear, I think we can all relate to having a fear of the unknown. The better prepared I am and the greater the sense of control I have over the outcome the better I am able to manage my emotions. Whitley, I was struck by your comments about your relationship with the visitors and how it has changed over the years. Early encounters were filled with fear, yet recent encounters appear to be of a very different nature. Is it that the relationship became familiar to you? Knowing what to expect it is no longer fearful? In one of the recent podcasts you talked with your guest about virtual reality games. I wonder if being able to experience the visitors in a virtual way might prepare a person to be able to more effectively interact with them.
Relating to disclosure, the Canadian Mint recently released a collector’s edition $20 Canadian silver coin called the Falcon Lake Incident. The coin was just released and was immediately sold out. The coin is based on prospector Stefan Michalak’s account of a UFO encounter in Northern Canada and shows Stefan looking up at the UFO as it departs. The scene is beautifully depicted and the coin is an odd shape reminiscent of the head of a gray. I know that Canada is only a small player when it comes to such matters, but I wonder if the US mint has ever, or would ever do something similar. Game on.
On the matter of climate change, in case you folks down south don’t know, we demand our right to be cold, what with polar bears, Christmas trees, hockey, snow shoeing, dog sleds, tobogganing, curling, and skiing among other things.
Signing off from the True North Strong and Free; also frozen at this point in time.
Rick Man
RM wrote:
“Relating to
RM wrote:
“Relating to disclosure, the Canadian Mint recently released a collector’s edition $20 Canadian silver coin called the Falcon Lake Incident. The coin was just released and was immediately sold out. The coin is based on prospector Stefan Michalak’s account of a UFO encounter in Northern Canada and shows Stefan looking up at the UFO as it departs. The scene is beautifully depicted and the coin is an odd shape reminiscent of the head of a gray. I know that Canada is only a small player when it comes to such matters, but I wonder if the US mint has ever, or would ever do something similar. Game on.”
I can see the US releasing a stamp or something commemorating ‘the ufo’, not as a testament to its reality, but as an acknowledgement of a cultural meme, leaving the question of reality hanging. In fact that may be the sentiment of the Canadian artifact as well. Still, its interesting its being given at least that level of acceptance which is a step above rejection or object of ridicule.
The comments from Bmc really
The comments from Bmc really make me stop and think. We all to often hand over our power to someone else and don’t realize what our true potential is. Time to pull up my socks, get off my duff, and get on with dealing with the changes at hand.
On the matter of fear, I think we can all relate to having a fear of the unknown. The better prepared I am and the greater the sense of control I have over the outcome the better I am able to manage my emotions. Whitley, I was struck by your comments about your relationship with the visitors and how it has changed over the years. Early encounters were filled with fear, yet recent encounters appear to be of a very different nature. Is it that the relationship became familiar to you? Knowing what to expect it is no longer fearful? In one of the recent podcasts you talked with your guest about virtual reality games. I wonder if being able to experience the visitors in a virtual way might prepare a person to be able to more effectively interact with them.
Relating to disclosure, the Canadian Mint recently released a collector’s edition $20 Canadian silver coin called the Falcon Lake Incident. The coin was just released and was immediately sold out. The coin is based on prospector Stefan Michalak’s account of a UFO encounter in Northern Canada and shows Stefan looking up at the UFO as it departs. The scene is beautifully depicted and the coin is an odd shape reminiscent of the head of a gray. I know that Canada is only a small player when it comes to such matters, but I wonder if the US mint has ever, or would ever do something similar. Game on.
On the matter of climate change, in case you folks down south don’t know, we demand our right to be cold, what with polar bears, Christmas trees, hockey, snow shoeing, dog sleds, tobogganing, curling, and skiing among other things.
Signing off from the True North Strong and Free; also frozen at this point in time.
Rick Man
RM wrote:
“Relating to
RM wrote:
“Relating to disclosure, the Canadian Mint recently released a collector’s edition $20 Canadian silver coin called the Falcon Lake Incident. The coin was just released and was immediately sold out. The coin is based on prospector Stefan Michalak’s account of a UFO encounter in Northern Canada and shows Stefan looking up at the UFO as it departs. The scene is beautifully depicted and the coin is an odd shape reminiscent of the head of a gray. I know that Canada is only a small player when it comes to such matters, but I wonder if the US mint has ever, or would ever do something similar. Game on.”
I can see the US releasing a stamp or something commemorating ‘the ufo’, not as a testament to its reality, but as an acknowledgement of a cultural meme, leaving the question of reality hanging. In fact that may be the sentiment of the Canadian artifact as well. Still, its interesting its being given at least that level of acceptance which is a step above rejection or object of ridicule.
Since Whitley didn’t
Since Whitley didn’t elaborate on the nature of his empowerment, it isn’t possible to determine the nature of the change it would bring about. If you take the statement in total as true, however, than this empowerment isn’t going to happen so it isn’t worth speculating about. The fact that he brought it up however, does invite speculation and in that regard it’s difficult for me to see how it would do more than avoid an immediate disaster in a human nature which is prone to creating them. Clearly what’s needed now is a change from within and this seems like it would be an ineffectively slow process compared to the immediacy of the crisis, so maybe it’s only the crisis itself which can bring about such a change.
Since Whitley didn’t
Since Whitley didn’t elaborate on the nature of his empowerment, it isn’t possible to determine the nature of the change it would bring about. If you take the statement in total as true, however, than this empowerment isn’t going to happen so it isn’t worth speculating about. The fact that he brought it up however, does invite speculation and in that regard it’s difficult for me to see how it would do more than avoid an immediate disaster in a human nature which is prone to creating them. Clearly what’s needed now is a change from within and this seems like it would be an ineffectively slow process compared to the immediacy of the crisis, so maybe it’s only the crisis itself which can bring about such a change.
“I will write a detailed
“I will write a detailed journal shortly about the nature of the changes I see coming.”
WE ARE WAITING! 😉
“I will write a detailed
“I will write a detailed journal shortly about the nature of the changes I see coming.”
WE ARE WAITING! 😉
CL! The spice must flow!
CL! The spice must flow! BTW, Eon did a cool “trance” tune from his Void Dweller cd.
Now, to business.
We gave power to a govt. to speak for us… act for our benefit. So, we have poisoned air, water and ground. Ok. As a person EACH of us are not to blame for this. Im sure that each one of you reading this recycles something…. plastic, glass, aluminum or tin, even cardboard. What happens, happens. im working on a raised garden atm and trying to build another. I bet most of you dont recall being here during the ice age. Yep, there will be transitions, but the sad part is the denial/guilt of the “climate change” deniers.
If i recall correctly, one of the disciples(Peter i think) was asked what he would do if the world was to end tomorrow. He supposedly responded, “Plant a tree.”
Hope doesnt abandon us. We abandon it.
HG
CL! The spice must flow!
CL! The spice must flow! BTW, Eon did a cool “trance” tune from his Void Dweller cd.
Now, to business.
We gave power to a govt. to speak for us… act for our benefit. So, we have poisoned air, water and ground. Ok. As a person EACH of us are not to blame for this. Im sure that each one of you reading this recycles something…. plastic, glass, aluminum or tin, even cardboard. What happens, happens. im working on a raised garden atm and trying to build another. I bet most of you dont recall being here during the ice age. Yep, there will be transitions, but the sad part is the denial/guilt of the “climate change” deniers.
If i recall correctly, one of the disciples(Peter i think) was asked what he would do if the world was to end tomorrow. He supposedly responded, “Plant a tree.”
Hope doesnt abandon us. We abandon it.
HG
Steve44, interesting comment
Steve44, interesting comment about possible reasons for the coin’s release.
As to what Whitley has in mind that would empowerment him, I can only imagine. If it involves mass disclosure of some sort, I think it might be fraught with problems. Over the years I have broached the topic of UFO/alien visitor with friends, family, or even strangers. I am usually met with a quick “that’s all nonsense” comment or a skeptical reply. I don’t push the matter and rarely talk about my own experiences. The occasional person will respond differently. They are most often curious, but there have been one or two individuals who have opened up with the most amazing stories of their own, or of a friend, or relative. I just don’t think that the average person could handle disclosure without society having the tools to help people adjust. Maybe his approach would involve only those individuals on earth holding the reins of power and able to effect change. Like appearing in their bedrooms in the middle of the night; shades of ghosts from Christmas past.
I was thinking about Micheal E’s comment about souls coming to earth for an experience. It is sometimes said we come seeking lessons to effect changes in our soul. It brings to mind what I believe to be a Sufi parable. The story is about a disciple constantly seeking valuable lessons from his master. When the student is not looking the master hits him across the mouth with a walking stick. The student cries out asking the master why he did that, whereupon the master replies, your lesson is to learn what it is to go through life with no teeth.
It would appear that mankind is not paying attention to the master and is going to get one heck of a lesson. The bigger the challenge, the greater the potential for change.
Rick Man
And with no master I would
And with no master I would presume…about what Michael said about people being deprived of their experience by a mass catastrophe, I think it would be quite an experience in itself, and I think I’d be ready for a little break after it, myself.
Maybe Whitley will elaborate on the nature of his empowerment, but it’s understandable if he doesn’t want to since it might just open him up to more criticism since his statement indicates he’s unlikely to be able to ‘prove’ it. I myself neither believe nor disbelieve it since it’s really academic, and I don’t recall registering for that course.
Steve44, interesting comment
Steve44, interesting comment about possible reasons for the coin’s release.
As to what Whitley has in mind that would empowerment him, I can only imagine. If it involves mass disclosure of some sort, I think it might be fraught with problems. Over the years I have broached the topic of UFO/alien visitor with friends, family, or even strangers. I am usually met with a quick “that’s all nonsense” comment or a skeptical reply. I don’t push the matter and rarely talk about my own experiences. The occasional person will respond differently. They are most often curious, but there have been one or two individuals who have opened up with the most amazing stories of their own, or of a friend, or relative. I just don’t think that the average person could handle disclosure without society having the tools to help people adjust. Maybe his approach would involve only those individuals on earth holding the reins of power and able to effect change. Like appearing in their bedrooms in the middle of the night; shades of ghosts from Christmas past.
I was thinking about Micheal E’s comment about souls coming to earth for an experience. It is sometimes said we come seeking lessons to effect changes in our soul. It brings to mind what I believe to be a Sufi parable. The story is about a disciple constantly seeking valuable lessons from his master. When the student is not looking the master hits him across the mouth with a walking stick. The student cries out asking the master why he did that, whereupon the master replies, your lesson is to learn what it is to go through life with no teeth.
It would appear that mankind is not paying attention to the master and is going to get one heck of a lesson. The bigger the challenge, the greater the potential for change.
Rick Man
And with no master I would
And with no master I would presume…about what Michael said about people being deprived of their experience by a mass catastrophe, I think it would be quite an experience in itself, and I think I’d be ready for a little break after it, myself.
Maybe Whitley will elaborate on the nature of his empowerment, but it’s understandable if he doesn’t want to since it might just open him up to more criticism since his statement indicates he’s unlikely to be able to ‘prove’ it. I myself neither believe nor disbelieve it since it’s really academic, and I don’t recall registering for that course.
The Washington Post today
The Washington Post today published an article on the slowing of the AMOC (Atlantic meridional overturning circulation), just like Whitley predicted many years ago.
This is “something that climate models have predicted for a long time, but we weren’t sure it was really happening. I think it is happening,” said one of the study’s authors, Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany. “And I think it’s bad news.”
The Washington Post today
The Washington Post today published an article on the slowing of the AMOC (Atlantic meridional overturning circulation), just like Whitley predicted many years ago.
This is “something that climate models have predicted for a long time, but we weren’t sure it was really happening. I think it is happening,” said one of the study’s authors, Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany. “And I think it’s bad news.”
A terribly intriguing post! I
A terribly intriguing post! I look forward to the follow up.
I believe we possess more than 3 forms, and in accordance with the information bequeathed to us from Ancient Egypt say that 9 is more accurate.
Some of these are bodies in the sense that our physical body is a body but they have a different type of density / make up. I am figuring the rest out, but it may be that “states” that we feel ourselves in are “bodies” too.
A terribly intriguing post! I
A terribly intriguing post! I look forward to the follow up.
I believe we possess more than 3 forms, and in accordance with the information bequeathed to us from Ancient Egypt say that 9 is more accurate.
Some of these are bodies in the sense that our physical body is a body but they have a different type of density / make up. I am figuring the rest out, but it may be that “states” that we feel ourselves in are “bodies” too.
This in the news today:
What
This in the news today:
What If the Ocean’s Climate-Controlling ‘Conveyor Belt’ Came to a Halt?
https://www.livescience.com/62283-weakest-atlantic-ocean-circulation.html
Ironically, the photo accompanying this article is from a scene in ‘The Day After Tomorrow’.
Whitley, your message is getting out there, but maybe not in the ways you prefer. I know that this may sound harsh, and it’s not meant to be. It is not about you, and some of us have seen this stuff coming, and possibly before you became consciously aware of the perils our planet faces through interactions with the visitors. I remember my own family giving me a hard time way back when I was in high school about my views on environmental protection (And my dad and other family members worked in the oil industry, so I was basically admonished for biting the hand that put food on our table). And I am just one of many, many people who’ve had the same concerns as you do, and most of us are not ‘known’, or listened to at all. It’s not about one voice, but about many voices speaking as one.
This in the news today:
What
This in the news today:
What If the Ocean’s Climate-Controlling ‘Conveyor Belt’ Came to a Halt?
https://www.livescience.com/62283-weakest-atlantic-ocean-circulation.html
Ironically, the photo accompanying this article is from a scene in ‘The Day After Tomorrow’.
Whitley, your message is getting out there, but maybe not in the ways you prefer. I know that this may sound harsh, and it’s not meant to be. It is not about you, and some of us have seen this stuff coming, and possibly before you became consciously aware of the perils our planet faces through interactions with the visitors. I remember my own family giving me a hard time way back when I was in high school about my views on environmental protection (And my dad and other family members worked in the oil industry, so I was basically admonished for biting the hand that put food on our table). And I am just one of many, many people who’ve had the same concerns as you do, and most of us are not ‘known’, or listened to at all. It’s not about one voice, but about many voices speaking as one.
I am not a “Whitley
I am not a “Whitley Worshiper”. I grew up around the same time in the same city that he did. I knew about his wealthy privileged family and the sense of entitlement they imbued him with. He had a brief period of acceptance when he was publishing novels like “The Hunger” and “Warday”. All that was ripped from him when the Visitors intervened in his life. He still longs for a return of that sense of public acceptance even now. Lacking other sources of support, he now looks to the Visitors to intervene for him and give him one last dramatic gesture he can claim credit for. What part of “inevitability” wasn’t he paying attention to? Meatball just doesn’t work that way.
Very good. Now tell me about
Very good. Now tell me about your father.
I am not a “Whitley
I am not a “Whitley Worshiper”. I grew up around the same time in the same city that he did. I knew about his wealthy privileged family and the sense of entitlement they imbued him with. He had a brief period of acceptance when he was publishing novels like “The Hunger” and “Warday”. All that was ripped from him when the Visitors intervened in his life. He still longs for a return of that sense of public acceptance even now. Lacking other sources of support, he now looks to the Visitors to intervene for him and give him one last dramatic gesture he can claim credit for. What part of “inevitability” wasn’t he paying attention to? Meatball just doesn’t work that way.
Very good. Now tell me about
Very good. Now tell me about your father.
Brock:
I think your name
Brock:
I think your name rhymes with “Asswipe”… Certainly seems to fit your comment.
Brock:
I think your name
Brock:
I think your name rhymes with “Asswipe”… Certainly seems to fit your comment.
How quaint, Heinrich Moltke’s
How quaint, Heinrich Moltke’s back to troll us again.
Everyone, ignore “Brock”, Srava, or whatever he’s calling himself nowadays. this low-life has been here before, with an agenda to cause problems for our community by attempting to tear Whitley down. Engaging simply feeds the troll: his type feeds on the negativity they sow.
Might as well get the inevitable cancellation of his account over sooner rather than later, it’ll save the rest of us an unnecessary, and pointlessly insultive, headache.
Thanks, Matthew! I saw his
Thanks, Matthew! I saw his comments yesterday and recognized his ‘signature’…
How quaint, Heinrich Moltke’s
How quaint, Heinrich Moltke’s back to troll us again.
Everyone, ignore “Brock”, Srava, or whatever he’s calling himself nowadays. this low-life has been here before, with an agenda to cause problems for our community by attempting to tear Whitley down. Engaging simply feeds the troll: his type feeds on the negativity they sow.
Might as well get the inevitable cancellation of his account over sooner rather than later, it’ll save the rest of us an unnecessary, and pointlessly insultive, headache.
Thanks, Matthew! I saw his
Thanks, Matthew! I saw his comments yesterday and recognized his ‘signature’…
I deeply regret my
I deeply regret my mean-spirited post impugning Whitley Strieber’s character and motives. I especially regret criticizing his family, whom I have never met. I wrote these things out of envy. My profoundest apologies to Whitley, his family, and his many friends.
…talk about bait and
…talk about bait and switch…
I deeply regret my
I deeply regret my mean-spirited post impugning Whitley Strieber’s character and motives. I especially regret criticizing his family, whom I have never met. I wrote these things out of envy. My profoundest apologies to Whitley, his family, and his many friends.
…talk about bait and
…talk about bait and switch…
“The jealous are troublesome
“The jealous are troublesome to others, but a torment to themselves.” William Penn
“The jealous are troublesome
“The jealous are troublesome to others, but a torment to themselves.” William Penn
Cool—looking fwd to the next
Cool—looking fwd to the next post on the changes to come.
Cool—looking fwd to the next
Cool—looking fwd to the next post on the changes to come.
Even if Brock’s original post
Even if Brock’s original post is objectionable to many, and understandably so, the reaction (in this case from Matt Frizzell) of wanting to shut down dissent is troubling. As much as I enjoy, respect, and for the most part support both Whitley and Jeremy, they have both shown signs from time to time of not being able to tolerate much criticism of their ideas and still engage those people objectively. It’s sometimes comes off like, “I’m the important celebrity here, and you’re either with me or against me.” Any clear sign of being a non-devotee seems to be met with suspicion that the person is part of some giant, hidden conspiracy, and that person is quickly labeled a “troll”. It’s when I see signs like that, I start to get uncomfortable here.
Everyone’s entitled to an
Everyone’s entitled to an opinion, but when that opinion is used to justify bad behavior the opinion becomes secondary. Brock came on Whitley’s own site and attacked him personally, that squarely falls under the definition of trolling in my book, no matter what his opinion is. Matt may have overreacted, but I don’t see any of the other behavior you cited. People can be sensitive, Whitley, you, me, Matt, anyone, so agree or disagree all you want, but respect everyone. This is exactly what a troll does *not* do, in the hope of stirring up everyone’s emotions and starting an ego-food fight. Maybe that intention was what Matt was reacting to, and not anything specific Brock said.
Even if Brock’s original post
Even if Brock’s original post is objectionable to many, and understandably so, the reaction (in this case from Matt Frizzell) of wanting to shut down dissent is troubling. As much as I enjoy, respect, and for the most part support both Whitley and Jeremy, they have both shown signs from time to time of not being able to tolerate much criticism of their ideas and still engage those people objectively. It’s sometimes comes off like, “I’m the important celebrity here, and you’re either with me or against me.” Any clear sign of being a non-devotee seems to be met with suspicion that the person is part of some giant, hidden conspiracy, and that person is quickly labeled a “troll”. It’s when I see signs like that, I start to get uncomfortable here.
Everyone’s entitled to an
Everyone’s entitled to an opinion, but when that opinion is used to justify bad behavior the opinion becomes secondary. Brock came on Whitley’s own site and attacked him personally, that squarely falls under the definition of trolling in my book, no matter what his opinion is. Matt may have overreacted, but I don’t see any of the other behavior you cited. People can be sensitive, Whitley, you, me, Matt, anyone, so agree or disagree all you want, but respect everyone. This is exactly what a troll does *not* do, in the hope of stirring up everyone’s emotions and starting an ego-food fight. Maybe that intention was what Matt was reacting to, and not anything specific Brock said.
Bob, with all due respect, we
Bob, with all due respect, we don’t need Moltke’s toxic brand of “dissent” here yet again, and if I seem to be quick to take a rabid dog out behind the barn, could you please either have the courtesy to have a bit of faith that I might be doing so for a good reason, or at the very least ask me why I’m calling for such an action. Your discomfort comes from automatically assuming that we’re being heavy-handed thin-skinned tyrants, without knowing what’s actually going on.
As I alluded to in my post, “Brock” is a troll that goes by a number of aliases, but primarily as Heinrich Moltke. He has been banned from Unknown Country before, over repeatedly posting lies in vain attempts to tear Whitley down. He’s been at this for years, and is obsessed to the point that he wrote a 300-page novel attacking The Key. He only masquerades as a critic to provide himself with a veneer of legitimacy, but what little actual criticism he offers quickly degrades into slander, some of it mean-spirited enough to have involved attacking Anne.
Troll. Not Critic. Previously banned for being a mean-spirited asshole, and opening with a passive-aggressive bullying tactic aimed at UC’s members is just where he starts. Please see the following link as to why I don’t want yet another long, drawn-out toxic slugfest in the comments section, fueled by the hate and ire of one disturbed individual that hasn’t the sense to get some help, but makes himself feel better by disrupting the conversation of others.
http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/attacks-against-key
I agree with Matthew. We live
I agree with Matthew. We live in an age where criticism and questioning are more important than ever, but when it reaches the point of abuse, the idea of free speech kind of goes out the window. I leveled some disagreement with Whitley in this very thread of comments, as did Steve44 and others, but not with an intent to do harm in any way to Whitley and his point of view. It’s called ‘tact’. (And I stand by my view that Whitley should NOT ask for, or expect, personal assistance from the visitors, whoever or whatever they are) What amazes me is how one person can get the ball rolling and, in short order, other people resort to name-calling. It ain’t middle school, folks!
Bob, with all due respect, we
Bob, with all due respect, we don’t need Moltke’s toxic brand of “dissent” here yet again, and if I seem to be quick to take a rabid dog out behind the barn, could you please either have the courtesy to have a bit of faith that I might be doing so for a good reason, or at the very least ask me why I’m calling for such an action. Your discomfort comes from automatically assuming that we’re being heavy-handed thin-skinned tyrants, without knowing what’s actually going on.
As I alluded to in my post, “Brock” is a troll that goes by a number of aliases, but primarily as Heinrich Moltke. He has been banned from Unknown Country before, over repeatedly posting lies in vain attempts to tear Whitley down. He’s been at this for years, and is obsessed to the point that he wrote a 300-page novel attacking The Key. He only masquerades as a critic to provide himself with a veneer of legitimacy, but what little actual criticism he offers quickly degrades into slander, some of it mean-spirited enough to have involved attacking Anne.
Troll. Not Critic. Previously banned for being a mean-spirited asshole, and opening with a passive-aggressive bullying tactic aimed at UC’s members is just where he starts. Please see the following link as to why I don’t want yet another long, drawn-out toxic slugfest in the comments section, fueled by the hate and ire of one disturbed individual that hasn’t the sense to get some help, but makes himself feel better by disrupting the conversation of others.
http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/attacks-against-key
I agree with Matthew. We live
I agree with Matthew. We live in an age where criticism and questioning are more important than ever, but when it reaches the point of abuse, the idea of free speech kind of goes out the window. I leveled some disagreement with Whitley in this very thread of comments, as did Steve44 and others, but not with an intent to do harm in any way to Whitley and his point of view. It’s called ‘tact’. (And I stand by my view that Whitley should NOT ask for, or expect, personal assistance from the visitors, whoever or whatever they are) What amazes me is how one person can get the ball rolling and, in short order, other people resort to name-calling. It ain’t middle school, folks!
Fair enough, Matthew, thank
Fair enough, Matthew, thank you for the clarification, sincerely. If you have the evidence that this “Brock” is the same person you’ve had run-ins with in the past, then I can see where your action is justified.
But I do stand by my mild concern about polarization. In the ideal, UC is a community of thoughtful people who sometimes disagree, preferably without malice. In those few instances where the whole things starts to feel a little cultish to me, either in the comments or some of the material (and obviously my interpretation can be wrong), that’s when my hairs go up a bit. We may really need that “new world if we can take it”, but I’m pretty sure what we don’t need is a new religion, with all eyes gazing in one direction.
PS edit:
I just took Matt’s advice and read through the link he included. The “offending” posts were unfortunately deleted, so it was impossible to 100% follow the thread of the discussion, but overall I thought it was one of the more interesting exchanges between UC subscribers, with both Jeremy Vaeni and Whitley joining in (something I think happens all too rarely). I guess it seems black and white to some what constitutes a troll, but I feel it can be an “eye of the beholder” thing, and apparently other longstanding members of the community like Steve44 also had some similar reservations in that thread. The problem comes in when we have to worry about what are the eggshells we must not step on here to avoid being marginalized (assuming we care) when we have some contrary opinion to express? On its face, personal attacks would seem a pretty good dividing line, but sometimes that is also a gray area and sensitivities can be high and personalities vary. Like let’s take a random idea, that the visitors have our best interest in mind. If one person responds to that with, “we should be careful about assuming that”, whereas another says, “I find that belief ridiculous”, is the first person a valid critic whereas the second is a troll or asshole because they used less tact (even though the feeling underneath was probably virtually the same)?
I guess I lean toward the idea that most forms of censorship creates some degree of an oppressive state. Like just by saying all this, am I now on the suspect list for being what’s-his-name (who wrote the MOTK critique)? Or a “shill” for them? While I have no relation to any of that whatsoever, I could see where I could say things in less-than-perfectly-tactful moments that put me on the imaginary UC “hostile suspects” list. This is the kind of environment I hope can be avoided, and may actually need a bit of fixing here, IMO, because to at least a small extent I see it existing.
Fair enough, Matthew, thank
Fair enough, Matthew, thank you for the clarification, sincerely. If you have the evidence that this “Brock” is the same person you’ve had run-ins with in the past, then I can see where your action is justified.
But I do stand by my mild concern about polarization. In the ideal, UC is a community of thoughtful people who sometimes disagree, preferably without malice. In those few instances where the whole things starts to feel a little cultish to me, either in the comments or some of the material (and obviously my interpretation can be wrong), that’s when my hairs go up a bit. We may really need that “new world if we can take it”, but I’m pretty sure what we don’t need is a new religion, with all eyes gazing in one direction.
PS edit:
I just took Matt’s advice and read through the link he included. The “offending” posts were unfortunately deleted, so it was impossible to 100% follow the thread of the discussion, but overall I thought it was one of the more interesting exchanges between UC subscribers, with both Jeremy Vaeni and Whitley joining in (something I think happens all too rarely). I guess it seems black and white to some what constitutes a troll, but I feel it can be an “eye of the beholder” thing, and apparently other longstanding members of the community like Steve44 also had some similar reservations in that thread. The problem comes in when we have to worry about what are the eggshells we must not step on here to avoid being marginalized (assuming we care) when we have some contrary opinion to express? On its face, personal attacks would seem a pretty good dividing line, but sometimes that is also a gray area and sensitivities can be high and personalities vary. Like let’s take a random idea, that the visitors have our best interest in mind. If one person responds to that with, “we should be careful about assuming that”, whereas another says, “I find that belief ridiculous”, is the first person a valid critic whereas the second is a troll or asshole because they used less tact (even though the feeling underneath was probably virtually the same)?
I guess I lean toward the idea that most forms of censorship creates some degree of an oppressive state. Like just by saying all this, am I now on the suspect list for being what’s-his-name (who wrote the MOTK critique)? Or a “shill” for them? While I have no relation to any of that whatsoever, I could see where I could say things in less-than-perfectly-tactful moments that put me on the imaginary UC “hostile suspects” list. This is the kind of environment I hope can be avoided, and may actually need a bit of fixing here, IMO, because to at least a small extent I see it existing.
“In fact, I have come to
“In fact, I have come to suspect that much of what we now think of a alien contact is actually contact with other aspects of our very complex selves.”
I have long wondered about such a possibility. Thank you, Whitley, for your voice.
“In fact, I have come to
“In fact, I have come to suspect that much of what we now think of a alien contact is actually contact with other aspects of our very complex selves.”
I have long wondered about such a possibility. Thank you, Whitley, for your voice.
Oh, for the days of The
Oh, for the days of The Watcher.
Oh, for the days of The
Oh, for the days of The Watcher.
Bob, part of Moltke’s MO is
Bob, part of Moltke’s MO is to have people pay attention to himself, and he’s already gotten us way off topic, so we shouldn’t offer him any more heed. But, having read the deleted posts, I can objectively say that they were downright abusive (thanks Cosmic, that was the word I was looking for!), and needed to be removed.
Cyaneus, one of the aspects of my own encounters was that it appeared, for all intents and purposes, that my own subconscious was in cahoots with the entities that would show up in my bedroom — the timing was just too perfect, and yet done in a way that eliminated the possibility that the entire experience was either imaginary or a hallucination. There’s an odd duality in the contact experience, and one that is difficult to reconcile, in that the various entities that make up the group we call the Visitors are, on one hand, distinctly discrete from ourselves, and yet at the same time we and them are one-and-the-same.
I could try to wrap my head around the concept yet again, but I’m not fond of the burning smell that the attempt produces…
Hi Matt,
Although I’ve had no
Hi Matt,
Although I’ve had no experience with the Visitor’s I hope you don’t mind if I comment. Steve’s experience with Salvia in the latest Experience episode had brought home to me how vast the resources of our subconscious are. This part of us is no less ‘us’ than the conscious part we normally, and exclusively, identify with.
Perhaps the Visitor’s see and deal with the totality of ourselves which we ourselves don’t see. Our experience with them may, at least partially, be so confusing and ambiguous because of the innate dichotomy of our own split between our conscious and subconscious selves. Our conscious experience with them is never complete and fully comprehensible because we can only address that part of the experience which extends into our conscious mind, which to them is a barrier which does not exist. Our inability to integrate our subconscious into a total conscious identity may lead to an inability to distinguish them from our own subconscious, while our conscious experience indicates a clear separation.
Reports that their eyes can look deeper into our mind than we can comprehend lends credence to this theory.
Bob, part of Moltke’s MO is
Bob, part of Moltke’s MO is to have people pay attention to himself, and he’s already gotten us way off topic, so we shouldn’t offer him any more heed. But, having read the deleted posts, I can objectively say that they were downright abusive (thanks Cosmic, that was the word I was looking for!), and needed to be removed.
Cyaneus, one of the aspects of my own encounters was that it appeared, for all intents and purposes, that my own subconscious was in cahoots with the entities that would show up in my bedroom — the timing was just too perfect, and yet done in a way that eliminated the possibility that the entire experience was either imaginary or a hallucination. There’s an odd duality in the contact experience, and one that is difficult to reconcile, in that the various entities that make up the group we call the Visitors are, on one hand, distinctly discrete from ourselves, and yet at the same time we and them are one-and-the-same.
I could try to wrap my head around the concept yet again, but I’m not fond of the burning smell that the attempt produces…
Hi Matt,
Although I’ve had no
Hi Matt,
Although I’ve had no experience with the Visitor’s I hope you don’t mind if I comment. Steve’s experience with Salvia in the latest Experience episode had brought home to me how vast the resources of our subconscious are. This part of us is no less ‘us’ than the conscious part we normally, and exclusively, identify with.
Perhaps the Visitor’s see and deal with the totality of ourselves which we ourselves don’t see. Our experience with them may, at least partially, be so confusing and ambiguous because of the innate dichotomy of our own split between our conscious and subconscious selves. Our conscious experience with them is never complete and fully comprehensible because we can only address that part of the experience which extends into our conscious mind, which to them is a barrier which does not exist. Our inability to integrate our subconscious into a total conscious identity may lead to an inability to distinguish them from our own subconscious, while our conscious experience indicates a clear separation.
Reports that their eyes can look deeper into our mind than we can comprehend lends credence to this theory.