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I wonder what percentage of
I wonder what percentage of claimed abductions Whitley believes are false? Obviously, a certain percentage of people who claim to have been abducted are lying. A certain percent are simply deluded or hallucinating. What percent do you think may be “true”?
There’s no way to tell. The
There’s no way to tell. The research is completely inadequate, which is NOT the fault of the abduction researchers. It is the fault of the scientific community, the granting community and the public. People have been led to believe this is all nonsense, so there is no proper funding of any studies on any level at all.
In the grid that is reality,
In the grid that is reality, all may be “true” to the one having the experience. Even an hallucination is being produced from somewhere in one’s own consciousness. Could we be being abducted purely on a consciousness level, without our bodies being taken?
The experience in this story may not be true as you see it, but it obviously had an affect on the person involved, and we can only hope that it makes him or her take stock and change for the better. The higher self can come in all kinds of disguises…
Are you saying that all
Are you saying that all claimed abduction experiences are equally valid? Surely a fabricated abduction experience is not entitled to the same validity as other more credible abduction experiences. The door I’m trying to open here is one which obligates us to discriminate between more and less valid assertions and paradigms. In this politically correct era, we make the mistake of not wanting to “judge” the beliefs of others as if they are all equally valid. They are not. If we”re going to be more scientific about the search for truth and less like a cult or dogmatic religion, than we need to distinguish between more and less valid assertions and paradigms. In science, you don’t get to have your own view as to what temperature water boils at and no scientist can be accused of improperly judging another paradigm if he calls it into question. The notion that the truth is subjective and that we each get to believe whatever we want is antithetical to an open minded search for the truth. As is the view that all alleged abduction experiences are equally valid.
I agree the truth (from what
I agree the truth (from what I know) is not subjective. Not in my world anyway. But “judging” beliefs either religious or of UFO experiences or of conspiracies is a hopeless task unfortunately. Most people want to believe in things that never happend, spend money they don’t have, vote for politicians that don’t care etc. People love their little worlds. The closest You can come to science in this field is going to skeptoid.com. You cannot apply science to this when the official goverment and military world deny there is anything out there, and when all the UFO witnesses either lie with a straight face or tell one weird story after another without scientific proof. In the book “Hunt for the skinwalker” a very rich man sends a team of investigators with scientific equipment out on a “hunted” ranch. Mutilations, pheres, poltergeists etc. They had a very hard time getting any documentation of all the weird phenomenons – there were not a single picture in the book. Whitley don’t have a single picture of the aliens. Somehow Our science don’t apply to these phenomenon. They don’t come in their little spacecrafts, steps out, open the door to Whitleys cabin, sedates him and abducts him – no he just wakes up with an implant and some weird memories. And that to me is the real interesting mystery – this weird world of UFO’s, abductions, spirits, skinwalkers, shamans, out of body experiences, poltergeists, dowsing, bigfoots, remoteviewers etc. that apparently exists. Princeston University has conducted paranormal research for many years – Claude Swanson (Ph.d.) talks about it. It’s not like the scientists have everything figured out.
Would it matter if an
Would it matter if an abduction was real or imagined if the effects on the person and society were largely the same? We as a society (group of people nowadays- living together at least geographically) focus on the unreal and imagined all day/most of the day. We buy products because of their purported qualities or effects (everybody has one). What else is “bought” at least on a subconcious level that we aren’t paying attention to? I would say that our leaders, CEO’s, Educators, and others continually place before the public a substitute version of what works in life simply because they know it will be accepted. I wonder how much our world would change if we simply eradicated the nonsense from our own sphere of influence and concentrated more on asking every time we are presented with a choice: Does this fit a valid version of what reality is, or am I accepting something merely because of what everyone else wishes reality was? What would be comfortable & reasonable to us as a people? It is our responsibility to filter out what doesn’t fit into our thought scheme and simply say no to it. The people/entities that seem to control our world lose their power as soon as we regain ours. Is it really that hard? I believe that much happens to us that we forget or push out of our thinking because we don’t have backup from friends/relatives to deal with it, and it goes into the “save for later” pile. Yes, a lot of the abductions are obviously real, unfortunately. What we do with them, i.e. learn from them, mold them into something useful, largely determine the effect they have on us.
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I think it does matter
I think it does matter whether an alleged abduction is “true” and that we should not simply look at the supposed effect of the alleged abduction experience. Simply doing the later encourages fabricated reports. Don’t give people a license to fabricate abduction and new age claims by telling them that their message will only be judged by its intended effect. I’m sure there are a lot of charlatan new age authors who rationalize their fabricated claims based on the belief that they will have a good effect on society. In the minds of these authors, so what that they were making up their channeled message from Alpha Centauri, their message would have a good effect on society. These new age frauds will be held accountable to pay a high karmic price for misleading people in the most sacred area. Its one thing to mislead people about a materialistic matter such as a product. Its much worse to mislead people on spiritual matters and cause them to walk down a false path. Humanity has been misled for eons by people who rationalized their unsubstantiated claims based on good intentions and supposed beneficial effects. This is how religion got started. Someone thought it was OK to sell a myth as the truth because of its supposed “good effect.” If you’re really a seeker and not just looking for a placebo, the truth matters.
It’s dificult to estimate how
It’s dificult to estimate how many abduction reports are false. Because to do that one needs a baseline of some sort. There are probably lots of reports, in which the abductee keeps the information to themselves.
Although, I am not an abducte, nor do I wish to become one. I tend to look at them in terms of the Betty Hill and Barney Hill event, the one I am most familiar with.
It seems to me that in most abduction cases, that I have read about, what happens to the abdjuctee is that they exeperience a deep personal sense of ambivalence, about the experience. Also the experience, seems to share lots of the same symptoms of PTSD.
For some reason, it’s the experience of Ambivalence that I find most compelling in the accounts of abduction, that seem to ring true to me. Like something unpleasant is gnawing it’s way out the gut, and it must come out one way or another. To the relief, and also to the revelation of the abductee.
They do seem to tell the
They do seem to tell the truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chRDoSnb03Q (excellent)
I just don’t get how all these missing time / lost fetuses / abductions / stadium size UFO’s etc. can happen without being on the front of every paper and news. It is like a tiny closed world totally unnoticed by the majority living ordinary lives.
I think, that in some sense
I think, that in some sense someones personal experience, is just that. Their personal experience. I don’t think it’s necessary to make any judgements at all about what that means. Since in some sense there, there will always be something inaffable about personal experience. On the other hand, I tend to be, more focused on those that have PTSD like symptoms, and display ambivalence about the experience. It, may well be that those kinds of experiences are more likely to be documented, because it seems to me that the abduction victim is more likely to seek help from others under those curcumstances.
There are better and worse
There are better and worse means by which to seek the truth. Blind faith is not as good as logic, reason, and personal experience. Faith leads to inconsistent and conflicting views, it leads the Christian, Muslim, Mormon, etc., to each feel justified in their view. The problem with a pure scientific/rational perspective is that it doesn’t go far enough — logic and science aren’t able to answer (at least not yet), the big spiritual questions about afterlife, etc. The one thing we can do is broaden our range of experiences from which a more comprehensive paradigm can be derived. Spirituality, in it’s truest form, is a set of practices and techniques which bring about spiritual experiences or a more expansive (higher) sense of self. Religions have reduced spirituality to a set of beliefs and sold people the lie that the answer to our spiritual calling is to accept this or that belief instead of assisting people in waking up. The issue is not salvation v. damnation. The issue is being awake v. being asleep.
True, and similar people have
True, and similar people have been led to believe that religion is true (without proof and scientific research). People just don’t question things enough, they love their traditions and way of life. Curiosity is a threath, while to me it is a quest. Fx. if I were being abducted I would promtly buy a IR webcam to record my sleep, wear my GPS to track my route afterwards, install tripwires, automatic lights, buy a dog etc. The world is far far from perfect regarding logic behaviour, scientific curiosity, economic dicisions, climate control, spiritual knowledge so it is a neverending labyrinth trying to find out what is “going on”. Hopefully the new book will bring me some answers. The world is a strange place no? and science isn’t doing it’s part. The pushing of the knowledge envelope is done by You guys: W. Strieber, M. Cremo, G. Hancock, C. Swanson etc. who dare question things.
That’s the situation. We
That’s the situation. We personally find out what’s real and happening (Alien’s real?/abductions happening?/humans have eternal souls?/ET’s and the dead connected? etc.) and then I want to know “ok what’s next?”. Should I change my life – how should I use this information? If the Aliens want’s us to join a galactic federation then maybe I shouldn’t waste my time fx. playing FPS’s. Is there a forum here?