Peter Levenda returns to Dreamland for a powerful and unsettling journey into the hidden architecture of history, consciousness, occultism, and the UFO mystery. Where are the hidden threads that connect all this into one great spiderweb, and what is true and what is conspiracy theorist fantasy…if anything? How does Jeffrey Epstein connect to the UFO coverup and who, despite his lack of qualifications, was hired as a math teacher at the Dalton School by headmaster Donald Barr? Barr, the father of William Barr, attorney general under both George H.W. Bush and Donald Trump, also published a science fiction novel called Space Relations, a science fiction novel about a planet ruled by oligarchs who engage in child sex slavery, which anticipates Epstein’s real-life crimes.
Using the analogy of colonial contact and cargo cults, Levenda explores the possibility that humanity itself may be the product of an ancient ontological shock—one that shaped religion, science, civilization, genetics, and our longing to leave the planet. He and Whitley also enter darker territory: Nazi occultism, Operation Paperclip, mind-control research, Jack Parsons, NASA’s military origins, synchronicity, conspiracy culture, and the urgent need to distinguish genuine hidden forces from destructive fantasy.
This is Peter Levenda at his most wide-ranging and provocative: a conversation about contact, deception, disclosure, and the strange possibility that the invasion we fear may already be moving through consciousness itself.
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My favorite of all your guests.
Really excellent conversation.
Oh my! This was so chewy! And I had to run it back many times in certain places. to be sure I heard everything correctly. Two great men, EXPLORERS comparing the “unknown”! Now I need chocolate ice cream to recover. LOLOL Thank you and I want to read Levenda’s book now!
My only complaint, way too short. I sense that dreamland is becoming a safe haven after all the attacks . It always has been but there definitely seems to be a shift. Hopefully Tom and Luis make the jump.
It’s been a while since Levenda was on Dreamland. This very deep conversation needs to be heard, and it also emphasizes the need to keep learning and acquire as much knowledge as possible. To that end, it’s important to actually read books and real newspapers…and stop scrolling on devices…and have a healthy dose of discernment.
An aside about Epstein: His connections were astounding. In Texas, Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison. There is lots of talk about her privileges and preferential treatment at the prison, and how she was transferred from a low-security prison in Florida…to a minimum security prison in Bryan, Texas, which is unusual for those convicted as a sex offender. This transfer occurred after she had a conversation with Asst. Attorney General Todd Blanche. To raise even more questions, it was only recently that the Zorro Ranch was purchased by Don Huffines, who is running for Comptroller here in Texas, and is also a real estate mogul out of Dallas (Who has put pressure on the state to eliminate property taxes.) These things may not mean anything, but…?
People are neither Angels or Demons, all good or all bad…we are a very wide spectrum of ‘human being’. Why would possible NHI be any different? You certainly could not judge all of humanity based on Adolph Hitler or Gandhi. Nor are we being bad guys when tranquilize an endangered animal in order to check on its health and transport it to a safer environment.
I hope Levenda returns for follow-up conversations in the future…because things do feel very surreal at this time, and others I know have expressed the same.
One thing to get us better grounded is Nature herself, even if it’s only minutes a day. Get away from the device and watch a sunset or squirrels playing outside,or birds singing early in the morning. There’s a lot we can do, even if it’s only a short walk into your backyard to look at stars.
Regarding grounding, and reading things on actual paper, and so forth– I appreciate the sober, factual, non-sensationalized tone of this conversation and others such as the one with Leslie Kean. It seems to me like the best way to discuss the nebulous and the speculative and the strange. Treating it all as a normal part of the world, because it is.
I don’t think I’m describing what I mean very well… but I appreciate the calm and rationality in the midst of constantly blasting storms.
“I appreciate the sober, factual, non-sensationalized tone of this conversation”.
I completely agree, it is refreshing to hear, although I wouldn’t necessarily agree to calling these topics normal. Most are exceedingly rare and therefore far outside the norm…but still, I think you would agree are part of an extraordinary but nonetheless natural world…as the title of Whitley’s book succinctly puts it…’Super Natural’, as opposed to supernatural.
I read the sales blurb for Levenda’s book, and this phrase struck me: “…how the United States has been shaped by dark, irrational, and often invisible, forces.”
We tend to think that the dark forces consist of humans intentionally messing up the world for the rest of us. It occurs to me that maybe much of history is an outworking of the irrational and invisible forces inside all of us, which move through the mass of humanity of their own accord. That those who think they’re in charge are conduits for these natural forces rather than shapers of them. Just a thought.
I remember hearing about “recruiters” being at my Jr. High school for a Gate program. Glad I didn’t qualify.
I was part of a program with a different name that, it turns out, was part of the gate program. I can remember very little of the program despite being in it for a number of years. Has always haunted me a bit.
I have always been fascinated with Peter Levenda interviews, always a pleasure.
On the subject of how these topics are studied, I’m sure we’ve all heard the Sherlock Holmes character’s quote…”When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”
…the problem with many approaches is that they push way too many things (especially subjective experiences), from the improbable pile into an impossible hole…the boundaries of which are governed by an almost religious fanatisism, rather than open-minded exploration. Once in that hole, they can be safely forgotten about by scientific minds that should know better, or do, but are forced to tow the academic line, in order to keep their funding.
My view is that we would unravel more about our inner and outer worlds than we could possibly imagine, if we would only actively research the contents of that impossible hole.
I completely understand, that walking into the dark, towards an unknown voice calling your name, is not for the faint hearted. Many have already taken brave personal leaps into that unknown;
If only the academic and scientific communities would collectively begin to take steps in the same direction.
What is the purpose of the game? I don’t like games. One of the lines at the end of the movie war games is “the only winning move is not to play.” This keeps coming to mind for me. Without our energy fields (Soul), perhaps the game cannot evolve. Perhaps sometime in the future our energy fields will be inhabiting robots. Of what benefit is the game to our souls?
What benefit do actors get from performing in front of a live audience? They begin to understand how to read an audience, how to draw upon deep memory of experience to deliver an emotional charge to their performance and finally they begin to understand how to recognise and move in response to subtle changes in energy, from their own being and from the audience as a whole. They are in effect whittling a chunk of wood, by ever small degrees, into a work of art.
Regarding the War Games quote, that only applies when the only outcome is Mutual Assured Destruction.
I don’t think the game is doing the evolving…but the energies, the beings, that play within its rules. It is a game of learning, pure and simple…a chance to change, in an otherwise static Multiverse.
With regards to souls being trapped within a robot body, unless that is of mutual consent, I cannot think of anything more cruel…like pinning a butterfly by its wings.
I would prefer the acting comparison (all the worlds stage, and the men and women merely players) to this being a game. Is there a benefit for something outside of this third dimensional game?
SharonKroll, maybe my analogies were too obscure…that’s fine.
Let’s assume the ‘soul’, existing outside of this third dimensional reality, is the ‘something’ to which you refer. Being outside of time, the soul is static…it cannot change.
What if being attached to a human, within the third dimensional game, were the only mechanism, the only chance, for that soul to change?
Now imagine the actor on stage, honing their skills. What if a soul were analogous to the skills of an actor? The only way for the skills of an actor to improve are for them get out onto the stage…and perhaps the only way for a soul to change, to improve, is for it to temporarily become linked to a human on the stage of life?
If I remember rightly, Whitley’s Anne used to referred to Earth as being a ‘soul factory’…my take being that it is a process capable of changing souls.
Maybe not a soul factory exactly, but an engine of souls, or a soul school.
Solid take by (Cough cough Simon) I mean Peter. Didn’t make any concrete statements but stated what he thinks about when researching ufos.